._12xlue8dQ1odPw1J81FIGQ{display:inline-block;vertical-align:middle} (There was also another Ajax in the trojan war which is known as Ajax the Lesser). How many people can name off a dozen names of their peers from elementary school unless they were close friends? As a metaphor / analogy think of Archer as a clone of the essence of heroic spirit EMIYA with a body similar to the original beyond space time, and this clone also has his memories and stuff downloaded into his brain. How did Satsuki have enough magic power to become a vampire almost instantly and have a Reality Marble herself? It's been said before that Archer's timeline is quite similar to the Fate route, but his version was one where he never saved Saber or Illya, so: Rin's Servant was still Archer. The projection of Avalon was only possible because of his connection to Saber as well as having a perfect blueprint after being combined with it for so long. Since Archer's backstory being heavily tied to the … His personality is very contradicting. Ten years before the start of Fate/stay night, Shirou was an ordinary boy living with his parents in Shinto. ._2YJDRz5rCYQfu8YdgB_neb{overflow:hidden;position:relative}._2YJDRz5rCYQfu8YdgB_neb:before{background-image:url(https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/img/reddit_pattern.png);content:"";filter:var(--newCommunityTheme-invertFilter);height:100%;position:absolute;width:100%}._37WD6iicVS6vGN0RomNTwh{padding:0 12px 12px;position:relative} By the way, Archer was quite ready to kill Saber in UBW after he betrayed Caster, he doesn't love her for sure. Shirou is the idealistic young version of him that made the mistake that led to him. Archer can't use Avalon. In other words just because Archer has Rho Aias it does not mean he neccessarly ever met Ajax / Aias the Great. To this end, he stubbornly trained himself to his peak and began working as a freelance magus similar to his father. Who is the original Rin's servant in archer timeline (do we have a way to know it ?) He was found by Kiritsugu Emiya, who was dejected after the events of the war, and wishing to atone for all of his actions, he saved Shirou's life by embedding Avalon in his body. He want to kill Shirou because he hate himself. Put simply Rin summoning Archer is a possible thing and is probably what did happen until we have evidence to the contrary. When Shinji Matou's reanimated corpse kills Sakura for trying to protect Shirou, she leaves an "Archer card" that grants Shirou the powers of his future heroic persona, Archer. 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Isn't it just a speculation that Archer's timeline was similar to Fate? EMIYA have memories about saber but no about Rin so we can guess that they didn't make an alliance like FSN Shirou and her did. Does this mean Ajax was summoned by Rin? The senex, the elder, is Archer who represents the destiny of Shirou's ideologies, even if he comes from another reality, we can consider him as the "elder Shirou". New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the fatestaynight community. Just like he did in the Fate route we know. Press J to jump to the feed. A lot of people also have similar problems with names not from people from elementary school but instead high school. Because Fate route Shirou never makes a pact to become a guardian, he doesnt end up like Archer. He means well and is capable of being nice, but often end… Press J to jump to the feed. Fate/Zero, Fate/hollow ataraxia, Fate/Extra, Fate/EXTELLA, Fate/Grand Order, Fate/Apocrypha, Fate/Strange Fake, The Case Files of Lord El-Melloi II, Fate/Requiem, Fate/type Redline, etc., discuss all of these and more on this subreddit! On the night of the summoning, Archer assessed the situation and deduced the current circumstances. Heroic Spirits and Counter Guardians are locked out of time, so even if Shirou hadn't become Archer yet in that universe, he still did eventally. Now even if you are bad with names, you may remember the chain of events that occured in high school and people that you meet. Since the first Shirou who became Archer, but who did Rin ended up summoning since at the time there was no such as "Heroic Spirit Emiya"? In Unlimited Blade Works, after the fight concluded between Shirou and Gilgamesh, Archer shot Gil in the head and amicably told Rin his good byes. Perhaps in this "proto" grail war of Archer's timeline as Shirou Gilgamesh was summoned (during the previous grail war, the 4th grail war) and he used Rho Aias and this is how Shirou witnessed it, even though Rho Aias was not used by Shirou of the FSN 3 timelines. Archer doesnt have Avalon anymore. Fixed; Move the “Archer” wikilink up to the first time you mention the character. In Maekarat Misr: Najima, he takes the role of DIO's Servant, having been the Servant of Jonathan Joestar before serving the vampire. After winning the fifth Holy Grail War with Saber, he continued to improve his skills in order to become a hero of justice. He continued to do what he thought was right, but he doesn't explain his actions to others. Archer wondered when did Sakura get the idea of Rin stealing boyfriends. Links to a lets play archive of A) Day 1 Part 2 and B) Day 2 of Fate Stay Night. Now lets pretend we know for sure that Shirou obtained Rho Aias during his grail war of his own timeline even though we can't really pretend this with certanity, and we are just making assumptions. Archer's only hope is to provide a large enough "contradiction" that the WORLD steps in (the same type of force that made him a counter guardian, the one he sold his "soul" for the wish in Episode 19, though understand each world of each multiverse is different), that the world steps in and prevents him from being a counter guardian by ....somehow. It could be that much like Shirou after the Fate route, he can't use it anymore because the schematic for it is gone from his mind after Saber disappeared. I didn’t say he will become Archer. We know that she had a servant that was fighting against lancer before Shirou interupted them because EMIYA was resurected in his timeline too (he also have the pendant). Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. This EMIYA is now on the throne of heroes and is beyond time and space. Archer feels his head throb from the recurring visions. He even looks like a superhero. Probably not because of reasons, but Archer is willing to try to do it anyway. To my understanding. The great fire caused by the contents of the Holy Grail spilling out at the end of the Fourth Holy Grail War killed both his parents and left him mortally wounded within the blaze. ._2cHgYGbfV9EZMSThqLt2tx{margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{width:75%;height:24px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-,._3Q7WCNdCi77r0_CKPoDSFY{background:var(--newCommunityTheme-field);background-size:200%;margin-bottom:16px;border-radius:4px}._2wgLWvNKnhoJX3DUVT_3F-{width:100%;height:46px} He was clearly mocking Saber and her ideals. Unaware that the man before her, was a broken future of the man she loved. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Archer is not technically the same as Heroic Servant EMIYA but instead a "copy" of the essence of this being, shoved into the Archer class, and granted life / form by the holy grail, Rin's mana and body, and tethered to this world by Rin's mana and body. 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How did EMIYA get through the grail war without a futur version of him to teach him things (talking to him and helping him in SN, unblocking his magic circuits and giving him his knowledge in UBW and giving him an arm in HF) ? We know that Archer has some memories but they were incomplete and he was giving a half truth to rin when he complained about his memories due to the Fate Side Material, http://knkdictionary.pbworks.com/w/page/76613381/Fate%20Side%20Material. Heroic Spirits and Counter Guardians are locked out of time, so even if Shirou hadn't become Archer yet in that universe, he still did eventally. Simon Anoma. ._3Im6OD67aKo33nql4FpSp_{border:1px solid var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetBorderColor);border-radius:5px 5px 4px 4px;overflow:visible;word-wrap:break-word;background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);padding:12px}.lnK0-OzG7nLFydTWuXGcY{font-size:10px;font-weight:700;letter-spacing:.5px;line-height:12px;text-transform:uppercase;padding-bottom:4px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-navIcon)} Parentage might be a factor in some cases, but since even the children of mundanes (Shirou, Satsuki, Elesia a.k.a. I don't think he even admires her, as some may suggest. He is the adopted father of Hajime Emiya, lover of Catherine of Valois, and Servant of Rin Tohsaka in Midday and Servant of Catherine in Midnight. 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His personality is very contradicting. He can be summoned into any of the different universes of the multiverse even if he came from a different one. He lived his life almost like Shirou did but unfortunately he never got close to Saber, Rin or Sakura. However, it is possible he may have followed a similar path to Archer before he reunited with Saber but his desire to be reunited with Saber prevented him from losing hope, unlike Archer. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/IdCard.de628c13230c59091a5d.css.map*/._2JU2WQDzn5pAlpxqChbxr7{height:16px;margin-right:8px;width:16px}._3E45je-29yDjfFqFcLCXyH{margin-top:16px}._13YtS_rCnVZG1ns2xaCalg{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex}._1m5fPZN4q3vKVg9SgU43u2{margin-top:12px}._17A-IdW3j1_fI_pN-8tMV-{display:inline-block;margin-bottom:8px;margin-right:5px}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY{border-radius:20px;font-size:12px;font-weight:500;letter-spacing:0;line-height:16px;padding:3px 10px;text-transform:none}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY:focus{outline:unset} He, who concentrated on his studies since childhood, began to perform many miracles at the frontier. This is why I prefaced this entire thing with the comment to my understanding. However, it is possible he may have followed a similar path to Archer before he reunited with Saber but his desire to be reunited with Saber prevented him from losing hope, unlike Archer. In Ufotable adaption of Fate/stay night, Shirou wears a black and white jersey zip jacket. I don't remember if this still stands in the anime adaptation. Now did the memory loss / disorganized memories occur due to an improper summoning? He doesn't lie, but he does keep secrets and tell half truths. 5) In the Fate route epilouge, Shirou said (Day 15)- so Archer probably forgot. Archer is hoping that by killing Shirou and making Shirou hate the ideal that led rise to Heroic Spirit EMIYA that somehow this "contradiction" would somehow cause the WORLD to prevent him from ever becoming a heroic spirit and possibly never existing in the first place. We have no clue who Rin's servant, only fan theories based off the likely evidence. That the real Archer as a human prior to becoming a hero on his death bed just could not remember Rin's name (it faded to memory), or did the human archer that was stored in the throne of heroes did remember Rin's name but. Another fan theory is that Rin summoned Ajax (also known as Aias) or someone else who had access to Rho Aias, since Archer has memories of Rho Aias and is able to project it. Their blades lock against each other, they gaze hatefully at one another. In one of these universes of the multiverse Emiya Shirou will become Heroic Servant / Counter Guardian EMIYA. Archer's route is similar to Fate route, so he'd have given it back to Saber, and after losing the contract the projection is no longer possible. .FIYolDqalszTnjjNfThfT{max-width:256px;white-space:normal;text-align:center} Once again, it's supposed to be similar to the Fate route, so it seems that he might have had feelings for Saber. Remember Rin did not introduce her name until the next day / during the morning after the summoning (Day 2 of the prologue). Under normal circumstances, to be excecuted by the crowd, would be a bad end, but since Shirou will die actually being statisfied and thus not become Archer, Shirou’s ending will be … For everything related to Fate/stay night or its spin-offs. Ciel) can be born with insane powers, it's not the be-all and end-all. He however lived a life similar to that of Archer´s as stated in the Lat Episode. It was truly from his heart and filled with much endearment close to insanity. ._1x9diBHPBP-hL1JiwUwJ5J{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:#ff585b;padding-left:3px;padding-right:24px}._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4{height:16px;padding-right:4px;vertical-align:top}._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5{height:20px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:bottom}.QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{height:18px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:top}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 .QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)} Archer kicks Shirou back and rushes forward, his white blade ready to finally end the half-dead boy. If I am wrong and that later on Nasu in a fan interview, or a fan Q&A did say X or Z on who Rin's servant is during that timeline, or how Archer got Rho Aias please tell me and correct the record. It took, I … 'And she's slowly stealing the only thing I have too. He comes from one of the bad (arguably) ending of the third route of the visual novel, Heaven's Feel (it's the one where the main romance interest is Sakura). ._3bX7W3J0lU78fp7cayvNxx{max-width:208px;text-align:center} At the instant Rin introduced herself, Archer believed the girl who summoned him was "Tohsaka Rin" (not due to his memory being confused, but the name Tohsaka Rin being worn off). While he is thoroughly cynical and nihilistic, he is at the same time devoted and protective, and even a little childish to the point that it makes him hard to hate. In this world, Shirou gave up on his crappy ideals for Sakura. Rin asking Archer about her memories happened right after the summoning, after Rin's first command seal was used. He had seen what Archer had suffered through and has also seen that one memory Archer had forgotten: that fateful night when he (Shirou/Archer) was saved by Kiritsugu. At that point, he was presented with the very choice Kiritsugu faced when he killed his teacher (and more or less cursed himself into losing his way), the very choice Archer was presented with and became the cursed existence he tries to change with every chance he gets. Archer became a Heroic Spirit to defend people, not to end the cycle of his existence; he's only aggravated by Shirou's idealism, such that, he can't take it anymore. Shirou summoned Saber, and Rin attempted to summon Saber. The general public did not understand him. It is a half truth. Archer. His simple presence is enough to prevent him to make the same mistakes he did. In that case, Shirou does not become the Archer we know. He continued to believe his believings and that eventually saved many by killing many and thus when he realised it he became bitter. I can't take it anymore.' Memory loss is a lie, he's fully aware of everything. The fate universe operates via a concept of a multiverse. .s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);padding-top:5px}.s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f._19JhaP1slDQqu2XgT3vVS0{color:#ea0027} Have he still avalon inside him ? Shirou could have seen Rho Aias 1) during the grail war or 2) somehow during his journeys of him trying to be a hero of justice prior to making his deal with the world to be a counter guardian or 3) after the deal prior to his death. 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Will this plan work? /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/TopicLinksContainer.361933014be843c79476.css.map*/._2ppRhKEnnVueVHY_G-Ursy{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;margin:22px 0 0;min-height:200px;overflow:hidden;position:relative}._2KLA5wMaJBHg0K2z1q0ci_{margin:0 -7px -8px}._1zdLtEEpuWI_Pnujn1lMF2{bottom:0;position:absolute;right:52px}._3s18OZ_KPHs2Ei416c7Q1l{margin:0 0 22px;position:relative}.LJjFa8EhquYX8xsTnb9n-{filter:grayscale(40%);position:absolute;top:11px}._2Zjw1QfT_iMHH7rfaGsfBs{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;background:linear-gradient(180deg,rgba(0,121,211,.24),rgba(0,121,211,.12));border-radius:50%;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;height:25px;-ms-flex-pack:center;justify-content:center;margin:0 auto;width:25px}._2gaJVJ6_j7vwKV945EABN9{background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-button);border-radius:50%;height:15px;width:15px;z-index:1} It has been stated that the Archer timeline was one similar to the Fate route with the difference that in this timeline he was not able to save Saber´s heart. 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