In the last few months as this media storm has rained down confusion and . Rather, I think it is their twisted view of both God and humanity. Excellent post. Though Lynne had intended to become a social worker, she did not hesitate to commit her life to church ministry, convinced that God has given the local church a clear mandate to address the needs of "the whole person in the whole world." When I got up to leave Bill stopped me at the door and hugged/held me tightly for about thirty seconds. Hes probably kicking himself for the missed opportunity! Ok, So Nancy Ortberg was fondled, hugged, touched. Trying to encourage and create the best in everyone.. I have been doing some background checking into this. I get Im not welcome here. It creates an incredible amount of cognitive dissonance. She felt even more blessed when in 1985 Mr. Hybels and his wife invited her to move into their home, where she shared family dinners and vacations. Bingo. Is it even possible that one leads to the other, as the power dynamic created by abuse is addictive? And I admit to being raised that public displays of affection between adults was not the best as it might make some uncomfortable. Then read the story of Phillip and the Ethiopian Eunuch. Learn to value yourself. None of the first seven ecumenical councils dealt with this topic, which pretty much means that the line of heresy was never defined. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+5&version=NIV, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. But if you read Jodies clever rant, take ortberg name out of the picture and just think about what the culture was like there. She uses grooming quite cleverly. He was once featured in a Christian magazine. But if true it is still not honorable behavior. Read the Bible. The next time you make a blanket statement about what the Bible says, pause, think about it, Google and find some help for these difficult concepts. 1 kiss Kick out the immoral/abusive pastors. Try to respond like Jesus might and you will be let through. I agree. @ Barbara Roberts: As we said in Old School D&D about 3rd-level spells, You can do a lot more damage with one Suggestion in the right place than a dozen Fireballs.. Having Church in your club title does not necessarily mean it is the Bride of Christ. I cant help but see your point here. But I dont think the view of hell is really the issue for the church leaders highlighted here. There are too many similarities between their stories. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_seed. My potty-mouth made me do it (Mark Driscoll) If you note, the hotel rooms in these narratives were suites and meetings were being held in those rooms. I though this was sarcasm but maybe she really was arguing that Bill should have that level of influence on anyone-let alone everyone he was bringing along. yikes! Given the complexity and amount of ongoing business involved in a multi-million-dollar, multi-campus enterprise, I would thank that their legal counsel would have ensured that documents (including emails) from all board members, staff, and other employees would need to be preserved, in case of legal/criminal issues arising. The church Elders allowed Bill to stay in an unsupervised counseling relationship with her, while neither her husband nor Bill's wife was made aware of the situation. In response to that question: Was Hybels leading folks to Christ or to Hybels? We know about this link. His third publisher, Zondervan, has not yet responded to inquiries. Character is revealed, not when things are going our way but when things are painful. For most, even for insiders (like I used to be, 2x an elder) it takes a very long time to finally look at things as they actually are and admit Pastor is not only not a decent guy, but whether hes aware of it or not, hes likely sold out to the service of hell itself! And many of them are, perhaps a number that would shock us all. They were powerful, influentual, respected leaders. This fact is well known to those who are around sexual abuse/misconduct situations. But, still I try not to broad brush. It frustrates me that victims have to endure more pain when they come forward. Leave the tabulations to the guy with the higher pay grade. Ruth Haley Barton, formerly of Willow Creek and trained at the very contemplative Shalem Institute for Spiritual Formation in Washington D.C., wrote Invitation to Solitude and Silence, and teaches contemplative prayer through her Transforming Center. Let an outside, independent firm handle the information discretely and fairly. Ive learned how to see the tactics of abusers because Ive been listening to the victims of domestic abuse for years, am a survivor of CSA and DV and spiritual abuse myself plus Ive read many of the statements which perps make when their sins are called out and exposed. Its the attempt by pastors to do life together and facilitate relationship-building which will then hopefully anchor the visitor to the church and reduce dropouts and increase retention rates. Paul spoke up, and evidently appropriate action was taken, for which the Church at large benefitted. @ dee: Brad, not all of us read or study the scriptures with the same filter. They were not allowed to have free and open churches-the ones that were open were beholden to the government. I find it ironic Jodi thinks she is helping Billy. Further, if a few women get run over in this situtation it is fine, and in other cases if a bunch of litlle boys get rapped, thats OK since in long run the positives outway the negatives. Read Acts 2. So, as with what apparently happened at Willow Creek Church and Bill Hybels having his emails removed, that wasnt really a great idea. Lynne was picked for a spot on President Barack Obama's President's Advisory Council on . Once again, power is used to disrespect and mistreat others thereby inflicting invisible but very real, very painful wounds. (Keep in mind I was having a hard time mapping that organizational understanding of leadership to servant of the Body of Christ in those days), You dont remember Bill grooming you? I wonder if her crisis of faith was after finding out about something shady Bill was doing? Gossip! Hybels retired early from Willow Creek in 2018 after he was accused by several women, who worked for or attended the church, of sexual misconduct stretching back more than 20 years. Unfortunately, this particular scandal not only impacts specific Willow Creek pastors or employees it impacts the body of Christ and the thousands of people seeking to know Jesus. I outlined above the typical reasons people dont mention uncomfortable incidents with someone they trust or admire. By your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned Jesus Matthew 12:37. Hybels told her he had taken Ambien to give himself an excuse for not remembering all the wrongs he had done and said to her that night in his room. Jesus takes care of the harvest. Since 1975, when Lynne & Bill Hybels started Willow Creek Community Church, Lynne has been an active volunteer at the church.For the last fifteen years she has engaged in ministry partnerships in under-resourced communities in Latin America and Africa. That is where I had to start over. Thank goodness at least that at church when we pass the peace we literally clasp a hand briefly and say peace (literally that) and this is the entire procedure. After you were told by Bill that you dressed like a college professor and needed to dress appropriately for your position, I was the one asked to get you new clothing. I do agree with you, however, that there is enough blame and there has been enough time and somebody should have done something long ago, if that is what you are saying. Posted travelpro skywalk vs maxlite. When was the last time you led someone to Jesus? No worries. Well, it is a known fact that Hybels is a married man. He told me he had taken Ambien. Its not the victim. Read the books and follow the formula. 2,395 Followers, 144 Following, 415 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from @lynnehybels @ AbuseCrusher: To fellowship with other believers? I dont have any memory of doing and saying those things to her that night!. not for this long. Serving whom? A very misunderstood view of redemption; repentance and forgiveness is taught out there especially in seeker Megas. And sadly most victims spend YEARS time trying to answer the question why they were targeted. We are most certainly called to make judgements on actions. Status? Or is this site simply about wholesale condemnation. Statement removes all doubt, in my opinion, regarding serious sexual sin and leadership issues at Willow Creek Community Church as it comes to Bill Hybels. I get it bothers you. Just wonderin, Similarities The Willow Creek board apparently presented a report saying there was no evidence to support the Bill Hybills allegations? That isnt good for anyone. I allowed links and discussion on Jodis open letter despite the fact that I found it insulting to true victims. Stop blaming women for getting assaulted. We cant imagine the immensity of it all. its all changed. Still not handled. Just went through the same unity emphasis, as if pointing out items needing accountability, oversight and review constituted disunity or unwarranted lack of confidence in church leadership. I too believed that what I experienced was an aberration and couldnt be attributed to a person of such spiritual stature. Of course, you have move people beyond that into a mature relationship with the Lord and some megas neglect this. As someone who didnt grow up in the church, I see the deep value of it. Are you so sure its the devil? If you ever get the chance find the book, Corporate Cults. Be the one who is loving and kind in the midst of sorrow, showing us that you trust Jesus to bring something beautiful out of this pain. who originally wrote plastic jesus - is lynne hybels still married to bill - is lynne hybels still married to bill A lot of people find security and safety in that. And the devil is not after your church, WC. unteachable. I was extremely uncomfortable with Hybels repeatedly reminding the church he was the one leading the charge to empower women. I love Diane Langberg. The way it worked with all of these people is very similar to the way it worked with us. They appointed local leaders in the local churches. Throughout this scorching page-turner, Roy is charming and has a I see this is a crucial issue, and I appreciate that Dee has put it forward for consideration in abuse survivor communities. Ok, except that no one I know has heard of Willow Creek or Bill Hybels. @WillowCreekCC. This is ridiculous! Rats gnawing cables in two; She was running with him outside. If the situation at the top remains insular, one doesnt find out what friendly financial terms are struck, and before you know it, the heat dies down and the PayPal accounts go live for those not of retirement age, and the book deals resume for them as well as the retirees. I know in some places and countries, its cultural, but in general, hugging between men and women in the U.S.in workplace situations esp.is not considered appropriate or professional. Hybels is a man and he serves at the pleasure of the real King. To fellowship with other believers? He may or may not have been directly abusing his own wife, but he surely was abusing the women in his church who he targeted. And why on earth is this even a discussion? However, for people like those profiled on this site who have fallen short in protecting those under their charge (say, by covering ups their own misdeeds and/or crimes or those of others) to reemerge in a place where they again wish to wield spiritual authority (by starting another ministry (sic) in which they assume spiritual leadership or selling books advising sheep on spiritual matters seeking funding from said sheep in each case) is massively troubling. @ okrapod: Taught many lies in the churches even to the point where we unknowingly give homage to the devil. So, let me challenge you, go back and rethink the *speck in the eye* verses. In light of the testimonies of additional women who suffered his unwanted attentions, the only remaining question is how many women were victimized and how long has this been going on. Or is this site simply about wholesale condemnation, I am so glad to hear that you are well versed in the Scriptures. Conferences in exotic locales, entitlement, accolades, a volunteer workforce that actually gives you 10% of their earnings. The next morning, Bill and I were the first ones at breakfast in the hotel. More than we know. Bye! I have recently become Lutheran. YOU CANT PROVE A THING!!!!!. Please do me a favor Only quote smaller sections of a comment. I have long been leery of Hybels (and other mega church pastors) because these guys are basically Christian rock stars and are treated accordingly. Home; NEWS; Actress; . I dont have any memory of doing and saying those things to her that night!. There is a reason that big names get away with so much. We notice them! But I can certainly tell when a guy does it to cop a feel. After all that Nancy Ortberg said, I would hate for her husband to have behaved like that, even if it isnt as bad as what Bill Hybels has done. @ truthseeker00: Ive told her about the many intelligent comments here! This is VERY common. The issue with that is that its not like the secular world, in which after perps have done their time, they can make a living in their field of avocation (though in the case of fraud perpetrators and/or crimes with victims, future funds may be diverted to said victims). Whats being destroyed is the idol worship of Bill Hybels. Maybe its part of why why didnt your husband DO *something* (what? I have been reading sex abuse stories for 9 years. Good point. I would posit that there are at least two types of sexual abusers, and it appears that the narcissists seeking to traumatize people into submission outnumber those who act out irresistible urges. Those of us in the pews and on staff are at fault. not for this long. The lead elder talks about a duty to protect the church and cites Acts 20:28 which allows her to indirectly call the betrayed wolves and enemies of the church. You see pastor do something and you know its off, but you rationalize it away I mustve misunderstood what was going on. Down the road, you something else, maybe far worse comes up, you think Oh, pastor, hes a little quirky, but he means well. You then experience something genuinely alarming, you think Well, hes an imperfect man, but God uses us all, no ones perfect.. John & Nancy Ortberg are known to be false teachers, mis-leading the body of Christ teaching unbiblical things such as contemplative prayer which amounts to nothing other than New Age mysticism. At the end of the three-day conference a small group of us joined Bill in his hotel room to celebrate a birthday and the conference. @ Lea: I have said that I do not appreciate victim denigration which is inherent in her supposed expos .Enough is enough. This is why I have posted the 1 Tim 5 passage in two threads recently: Just read what the Bible says about leaders and ask, Is it even possible that God would set these high standards for elders/overseers/pastors and then only give us promiscuous, abusive, and manipulative leaders?. The news of the divorce came as a shock to many, as the couple had always seemed to have a strong and healthy relationship. Look up who are semitic people. Lets go a little deeper. The whole manipulation tactic is a brain gamer based upon the receivers cognitive dissonance. I treated my childhood dog like a doll. Russ Moore agrees with you. They are evangelized for church. By your own philosophy of hugging then i would assume that the women who are complaining about Hybels hugging behavior also know the difference and therefore they are utterly correct in their objections to his behavior. Your comments prove your ignorance and arrogance. Why would we expect a follower of Hybels to be different from Hybels? WTF? I think thats true for some and not others. She claims Bill Hybels brought up the incident in Hawaii about the ambien. 1 kiss Thank you for adding some lightness to this overwhelming news. Peoples boundaries and privacy should never be breached unless specifically invited or welcomed to do so one way or the other. I think so too. However not having a backup to retrieve is a bad idea and deleting email automatically (other than spam) is a bad practice. Or God is discipling yet another church. it takes a very long time to finally look at things as they actually are and admit Pastor is not only not a decent guy, but whether hes aware of it or not, hes likely sold out to the service of hell itself!, When someone shows you who they are believe them; the first time. Maya Angelou, https://jodiwalle.com/openlettertojohnortberg. Kids will tell you straight up, but I kind of treat them like stray cats and let them come to me! It would be very nice if he went to each one of them with other unbiased witnesses, and came to understand how his behavior, even if it was misconstrued, had affected them and apologized it would be nice, but I know that sometime you have to conduct your own healing process, with the help of God of course, and others regardless of the abusers behavior. Wow!!! Some will sadly never make the decision to follow Christ. Or they adapted. @ dee: We could apply those words to the most recent statement by Mr Hybels. And I promise: NO ONE was ever saved, in all history, because of eloquence. Assuming TWW readers have spent some time absorbing background and details about Bill Hybels and the evidence from the women who came forward with accusations, what do you see as possible points and patterns with that case study, compared with those of Joss Whedon and Lawrence Krauss? 1 comment about arms And his successor (and successors drinking buddies/dudebros) ended up causing a civil war that broke the kingdom apart. It is the Spirits job to convict and change. Ive been wondering if church leaders with abusive pastors have become convinced (or have convinced themselves) that, 1) Sexual misconduct is somehow rampant among charismatic pastors Glory to God. A dishonest person disposes everything in the hope that nothing will ever be retrieved that reveals his guilt. I underestimated their ability to constantly reinvent themselves to keep the money flowing. Sounds like at least some of the accusers would like to see justice for sure, but also redemption for even Hybels. Only saying he did that for women sounds creepier, but he actually did that for everyone he was mentoring. READ MORE: Brian Scotto Net Worth Books Some of his published books are: The Power of a Whisper: Hearing God, Having the Guts to Respond; Too Busy Not to Pray: Slowing down to Be with God; Simplify: Ten Practices to Unclutter Your Soul; @ Law Prof: That was the exact thought I had while walking the dog this morning! In the fallout of Hybels's departure over sexual misconduct allegations, the esteemed megachurch lost other top leaders: The church's elders, as well as Steve Carter and Heather Larson, who were. We can all learn from this and make sure to teach your kids. During that meeting, an Elder told a WCA Board member that Willow Creek had no document retention policy. This was the first time either Board had heard about this arrangement, but both of these women told us separately that Bill had told them about this special arrangement years prior. Good Lord! There are a tiny few, a tiny few. There are some 20 gifts mentioned in Scripture (Romans 12, Ephesians 4, 1 Corinthians 1213). If he is sincere about his reasons for retiring early, make a very public statement for people to knock it off and let him go away quietly. Not just anyone can do it well. Hybels used Yahweh (God) for his own desires and celebrity. Wow!!! As I said, I dont hug people at work. We are talking about someone very well paid to teach Jesus and model that teaching. ), you come across as naive, profoundly ignorant. (That last one is pure fun in a mega church because you have to trust the elders/boards. That seems inappropriate. Or would he start looking for material for making a whip? Who is the current pastor of Willow Creek Church? Anyone who says otherwise or who tries to slam someone for not telling immediately just doesnt know what theyre talking about. @ Law Prof: If you have to go along with the silliness (never with evil) make sure you are being paid. This is not Christianity. This is VERY common. My Comment was Deleted Some people stay quiet for too long, even good people. I mean, most say they want the truth. Kudos to these two publishers. And thats how you end up with an entire institution being transformed in a little over two decades. As it has been stated in widening circles of social media, under these circumstances (such as: improper investigation, witness discounting/tampering/intemadation, and most important lack of following scriptural guidelines) the Willow Creek 501(c)3 church organization by many credible voices has been deemed/proscribed as no longer a(n) safe or scriptural place to attend or be a part of. he has no idea who well you know Scripture. By your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned Jesus Matthew 12:37. she either did or didnt inform her husband immediately 1. High five, yes, hug no. Personally I was more offended by Wailing Wall-Satanic ritual connection. Wow!!! Ok, gotcha. Often, they blame themselves. Shame on all who participated in this. Steve Carter (Hybels hand picked teaching padtor) does not have the best reputation either. Bill Hy the Touchy Guy got himself into this and his elders proceeded to dig the hole deeper no devil required. While WW can be messy, I think most poster here just want honesty, transparacy, and protection/respect of the weaker ones. But it is the structure, really. I know. The mistake people make is thinking everything can go back to normal. Very sad indeed. CHICAGO (RNS) Willow Creek Community Church still grappling with former senior pastor Bill Hybels' history of alleged sexual harassment and abuse of power now . I dont think the view of hell is really the issue for the church leaders highlighted here. In a calm. @ Lydia: Barton co-authored with John Ortberg Ordinary Day With Jesus, which clearly instructs readers in mystical prayer practices. This writing clearly shows John Ortbergs sympathies to this New Age spirituality. The only thing you can blame other people for is making his deception known. I dont see this issue is white or black hats. Same story we keep hearing again and again. And it all comes cloaked in the name of the Christianity and the Church. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. RE got to talking about guys grabbing a boobie feel with side hugs; she thinks it is pretty ubiquitous in the male population. I hope that someone who knows what they are doing is archiving all of the official statements and documents by Hybels and WC. (none of them did it in a bothersome way, I just wasnt used to it). (Likewise, it seems that women did not have clarity about reportable behaviors and were expected to handle it on their own.). Their view of the person is completely undermined by the experience. For example, I have no problem with a man eating dinner in a public restaurant with a woman who is not his wife . * Now, it all falls into place: Wow, Im not the only person this happened to. This was real. This was wrong.. Whatever it is, its wrong-headed. Of course, some people, probably many people, will do things just for politeness sake. @ jackie: What do you think that Rabbi from Tarsus meant when he wrote For Satan himself can transform himself to appear as an Angel of Light? Just to preface: I am a nobody and not a perfect saint. If what he related is true (and I doubt it) there were bold ways to handle that to ensure a big message was sent and would have served EVERYONE better. Again, the new york . So, what led to the divorce? I do. To me its a faux and phony culture that cant get over itself. Brad may be a Christian, one stunted by being immersed in an environment that had the form of godliness while denying the power, but he also may be one who wouldnt know Jesus if He walked up and gave him a hug. A quick glance at google and apparently hugging is drugging when it comes to the brain. The task is to not establish and maintain environments where such people can abuse without danger of being held accountable. Because your mind tells you this particular man YOU KNOW would never so you must be misjudging. Trust me, Willow Creek has nothing to do with whether I follow Jesus or not. Rudyard Kipling, The Picts Song (about guerilla warfare), Ok. Ok. Nancy had no idea that he was doing this to other women. Brad Brucker: Got any other people of substance who would vouch for you? Fear fear of losing jobs, celebrity and the 501c3. Read the Bible. It just did not need to be a science or a manufactured event. All so sad! My husband was so proud that he got to met the Bill Hybels and was so happy that he got to talk to him and have his picture taken with Bill Hybels. But of course, youve been trained up in the world of megas, where vapid sayings take the place of the Bible. You are so right. One-World ANYTHING is a recognition signal for End Time Prophecy Wack Job. It was part of his long time abuse of her. Of course Billy Graham never led anyone to Jesus. When you read it, I think you might as well. I did, and he asked me to come up for a leadership talk, and told me to come alone. Call only those whose backgrounds really do show *above reproach* character. What happened to people? No!! Why would a woman follow the same God that her husband says excuses adultery? Im not saying any of that is right. Then they become red flags. I realize that what Jodi Walle is saying John Ortberg did is not on the level of what Bill Hybels did, but it still is extremely unbecoming of a pastor of a church to use the F word or comment on the looks of other women. There are many similar type of things over the years I did not mention. Whats being destroyed is the idol worship of Bill Hybels. How many times do you think it needs to be posted? I teach fraud for a living, you see, developed my universitys curriculum on it and am at this very moment in negotiation with a publisher to develop a textbook on it. Adults need to Stop being snookered by totalitarian niceness. Wailing Wall-Satanic Ritual? @ dee: Brad I am the Bride of Christ, the Church, as are Dee and Deb and many others who post here. Ultimately only Willow Creek congregants can decide the fate of their church sad state of affairs with millions of dollars at stake. People of Willow Creek, save your church by demanding resignations from he full Elder Board and lead pastors. It is the private hotel rooms that can be dangerous. It is the Spirits job to convict and change.. Be an individual. Thanks, Julie! @ dee: @ April Kasper: I do not attend Willow Creek but I have friends who do, and Ive taken friends and family there in the past, hoping their seeker friendly focus might appeal to them. I think people also need to read-jodiewalle.com/openletterto johnortbergwho was also accused of much the same thing-be careful of the stones you throw-and also be careful of how you judge anything. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FLT3Cb96-Mk. (3) A fifteen-minute phone conversation, also on April 6th, with the woman who made the confession, who had previously emailed Leanne three times that if her story went public she would deny it. I guess Billy Graham never led anyone to Jesus then. 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